I am just being logical. If the owner of the restaurant clearly does not "Hate" ALL Iranians, why not specify WHICH Iranians? He is free to to put up any sign he wants.
I couldn't get elected if I got the nomination. I'd be impeached if I tried cleaning house from top to bottom of any ideological remolding of our infrastructure, with people from the gulch handing out the pitchforks and torches.
When a virus genetically molds itself to otherwise healthy tissue, it cannot be extracted. The ideological remolding represented by political correctness is now embedded in the psyche of 3 generations of Americans.
It's simply too late to cure the patient. Not a one of them will swallow the bitter pill necessary to cure the country.
Remember that other discussion where I said there was political correctness right here in the gulch?
Imagine my finger pointing accusingly at you, CircuitGuy and this thread. The idea that we can't hate whomever we want for whatever reason we want is... political correctness.
It's just as oppressive to tell people they can't hate someone or some group as to tell people they must love someone, or some group.
Ohhhh the poor picked-on slaves of one man in Iran. Yeah, y'all kinda forgot that little bruhahah 200+ years ago when a pack of merchants and farmers took on the most formidable military force on the planet.
They directed the DoI at the King, but check history; rebel and loyalist hated one another with passion.
In WWII, again, we hated the effing Japs. We hated the effing Germans. Hitler and Tojo couldn't have done a thing without the cooperation of their populations.
Good Lord, the hypocrisy is palpable. This is a website devoted to Atlas Shrugged, where one prick condemns millions to suffering and death because he didn't approve of a communist plan at motor company where he worked, boo freakin hoo.
And you people are perfectly fine with the concept of making millions of *Americans* suffer for no better reason than they're parasitic to the glorious demi-gods of business. Ah, but they were Americans, screw them.
First, it was students who captured the Americans they held hostage. Second, it wasn't the entire country of Iran who went about its business milking goats while the Ayatollah all by himself captured and held the Americans. There was no civil war against the Ayatollah; the civil war was against the pro-American Shah.
Second, it was the ACLU that forced him to take his sign down... even the one that said "in your heart, you know". Not the Ayatollah, the ACLU.
The idea that we're not supposed to express hatred for our enemies sickens me.
The men who won WWII weren't so delicate; they were a pack of bigots who weren't afraid to hate their enemies.
Before you look down your nose at men better than you, you should consider the course of history thus far. "Redneck losers" have built empires. Effete, insipid sophisticates have destroyed them. That's history.
In 1980, had I been President and Carter not emasculated our military, I'd have slaughtered every man, woman and child in Iran as an object lesson to the rest of the world.
Member of the ACLU? Well, American Civil Liberties Union... why the hell don't you take my case up against the State of Oklahoma for infringing upon my 2nd Amendment Civil Liberty, hmm?
I wouldn't go to such a place. I agree with khalling about just having a sign about the leaders or their policies. Iranians not welcome sounds like a redneck loser sign, but it's a free country for redneck losers. I'm a long-time member of the ACLU, but I say leave the redneck idiots alone.
There are no laws prohibiting ANY sort of customer discrimination in the Republic of the Philippines. If you want to open such an establishment, I recommend doing so in Metro Manila, Cebu City, Boracay or Palawan. However, you should be aware that foreigners (['m an American legally residing in the Philippines) CANNOT own a) land; b) firearms; c) "internal" Philippine sovereign debt. But as long as you obey the laws, it's raining soup, grab yourself a bucket!!!
I served in the US Army from 1961-67 (Army Reserve 79th Infantry Division 1961-65; NJ Army National Guard 50th Armored Division 1965-67 and left in the grade of sergeant E-5. I'm a member of the American Legion, Department of the Philippines. My comrades in both the Army and the Legion care about character, not skin color.
In the year 1980, there was a nice little restaurant outside of Ames, Iowa (a college town) called "The Red Barn Supper Club".
The owner put a sign out front that said, "Iranians not welcome". Now, this was the height of the hostage crisis, when the Iranians were holding Americans hostage for over a year.
Many of his customers were Iranian. They approved of the sign, for they were ex-patriot Iranians, going to school at Iowa State, and recognized that it was a statement against the current Iranian regime, and not people of Persian genetic makeup. They continued to be good customers, and he never refused service to anyone.
The ACLU took him to court. He was forced to remove the sign. He placed the sign in the front yard of his house, which was next door. They made him take it down, again. He replaced it with a sign that said, "In your heart, you know".
He was forced to remove that sign, as well.
I sometimes think I'd like to start a Gentleman's Club, like those in Victorian England, a place where men could get away from the women in their lives for a period , with strict rules of conduct. That would be discriminating. But, I don't see how or why the gov't should be allowed to compel me to admit women, thus destroying the atmosphere of the club.
There should only be legal measures to restrict government to treating every individual justly. Private citizens, and the businesses they may form, are and should be free to discriminate between people however they choose.
Just what Rozar is saying. There's a saying that you _must_ serve the customer's needs or else someone else certainly will. That's really true in my world.
Can't speak for her but I know an objectivist believes that government should have a legal monopoly on retaliatory force. Laws do use force, good laws do it in retaliation.
Are you talking about civilian AA policy or the manual? Doesn't the military dictate all kinds of policy initiatives based on what the leadership believes will improve cohesion / readiness?
I think you're talking about laws that force businesses not to discriminate. In today's world, I say let them discriminate. I'm actually happy for them if they feel like they can turn away customers on the basis of race. I wish my business were running that way at this moment.
public policy is most often based on ideological speculation, maph. and what empirical evidence do you have for legislating against narrow minded bigots? in the end, you choose force. I do not
In WWII, the military was racially segregated. We won. In Korea, the military was forcibly desegregated. We had our butts handed to us until Matt Ridgeway stepped in. In Viet Nam, still desegregated, we won every major engagement, but lost the war to a communist Congress.
What's this tell us?
What it tells me is that Napoleon was right. The moral IS to the physical as three to one.
In WWII, each of us wanted to win; knew we *had* to win. We didn't (yet) waste time worrying about racial justice and its varied, idiotic permutations.
By Korea, the first real onslaught of the attack on America by the collectivists had begun. One thing they attacked was our military. Our training was messed up, our supply was messed up, and our morale was messed up. The push to desegregate the military was part of this. We were getting our butts handed to us in Korea because we had lousy morale; we didn't know why we were there, we weren't prepared to undergo the hardships involved, and we had already instill in the ranks a convenient source of tension to destabilize cohesion. When Matt Ridgeway stepped in, he taught the troops why they were there. He taught the troops that the enemy was *out there*, and could be beaten if our forces worked together. They learned, and we drove the Chinese back.
In Viet Nam, God what a mess. But, the troops learned quickly what mattered in that hell; the guy next to you. They didn't have the *luxury* at that point of worrying whether the guys you were fighting with were black, white, yellow or brown on the outside. It's amazing how the immediate desire to live can focus your attention on what matters and away from what doesn't.
Granted, the actual integration of the troops gave them all a chance to get to know other races (if they didn't already) and learn their common humanity, but at one gawdawful price to those boys in Korea (my father sometimes expressed pity for the Korean War soldiers, because he felt they were forgotten, and overshadowed by the WWII and Vietnam troops).
But, the real fact is that race doesn't, didn't, and shouldn't matter in the military. Everyone wears a green uniform (I guess they all wear camo nowadays.... but you get the point). Everyone undergoes the same training for the same jobs. And the one thing that truly doesn't give a crap what race you are is the bullet the enemy fires at you.
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I couldn't get elected if I got the nomination. I'd be impeached if I tried cleaning house from top to bottom of any ideological remolding of our infrastructure, with people from the gulch handing out the pitchforks and torches.
When a virus genetically molds itself to otherwise healthy tissue, it cannot be extracted. The ideological remolding represented by political correctness is now embedded in the psyche of 3 generations of Americans.
It's simply too late to cure the patient. Not a one of them will swallow the bitter pill necessary to cure the country.
Imagine my finger pointing accusingly at you, CircuitGuy and this thread. The idea that we can't hate whomever we want for whatever reason we want is... political correctness.
It's just as oppressive to tell people they can't hate someone or some group as to tell people they must love someone, or some group.
They directed the DoI at the King, but check history; rebel and loyalist hated one another with passion.
In WWII, again, we hated the effing Japs. We hated the effing Germans. Hitler and Tojo couldn't have done a thing without the cooperation of their populations.
Good Lord, the hypocrisy is palpable. This is a website devoted to Atlas Shrugged, where one prick condemns millions to suffering and death because he didn't approve of a communist plan at motor company where he worked, boo freakin hoo.
And you people are perfectly fine with the concept of making millions of *Americans* suffer for no better reason than they're parasitic to the glorious demi-gods of business. Ah, but they were Americans, screw them.
First, it was students who captured the Americans they held hostage. Second, it wasn't the entire country of Iran who went about its business milking goats while the Ayatollah all by himself captured and held the Americans. There was no civil war against the Ayatollah; the civil war was against the pro-American Shah.
Second, it was the ACLU that forced him to take his sign down... even the one that said "in your heart, you know". Not the Ayatollah, the ACLU.
The idea that we're not supposed to express hatred for our enemies sickens me.
The men who won WWII weren't so delicate; they were a pack of bigots who weren't afraid to hate their enemies.
Before you look down your nose at men better than you, you should consider the course of history thus far. "Redneck losers" have built empires. Effete, insipid sophisticates have destroyed them. That's history.
In 1980, had I been President and Carter not emasculated our military, I'd have slaughtered every man, woman and child in Iran as an object lesson to the rest of the world.
Member of the ACLU? Well, American Civil Liberties Union... why the hell don't you take my case up against the State of Oklahoma for infringing upon my 2nd Amendment Civil Liberty, hmm?
The owner put a sign out front that said, "Iranians not welcome".
Now, this was the height of the hostage crisis, when the Iranians were holding Americans hostage for over a year.
Many of his customers were Iranian. They approved of the sign, for they were ex-patriot Iranians, going to school at Iowa State, and recognized that it was a statement against the current Iranian regime, and not people of Persian genetic makeup. They continued to be good customers, and he never refused service to anyone.
The ACLU took him to court.
He was forced to remove the sign.
He placed the sign in the front yard of his house, which was next door.
They made him take it down, again.
He replaced it with a sign that said, "In your heart, you know".
He was forced to remove that sign, as well.
I sometimes think I'd like to start a Gentleman's Club, like those in Victorian England, a place where men could get away from the women in their lives for a period , with strict rules of conduct. That would be discriminating. But, I don't see how or why the gov't should be allowed to compel me to admit women, thus destroying the atmosphere of the club.
Private citizens, and the businesses they may form, are and should be free to discriminate between people however they choose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIc...
You can't turn people away because of their race, but you can turn them away because of their ideology/philosophy.
I think you're talking about laws that force businesses not to discriminate. In today's world, I say let them discriminate. I'm actually happy for them if they feel like they can turn away customers on the basis of race. I wish my business were running that way at this moment.
In Korea, the military was forcibly desegregated. We had our butts handed to us until Matt Ridgeway stepped in.
In Viet Nam, still desegregated, we won every major engagement, but lost the war to a communist Congress.
What's this tell us?
What it tells me is that Napoleon was right. The moral IS to the physical as three to one.
In WWII, each of us wanted to win; knew we *had* to win. We didn't (yet) waste time worrying about racial justice and its varied, idiotic permutations.
By Korea, the first real onslaught of the attack on America by the collectivists had begun. One thing they attacked was our military. Our training was messed up, our supply was messed up, and our morale was messed up. The push to desegregate the military was part of this. We were getting our butts handed to us in Korea because we had lousy morale; we didn't know why we were there, we weren't prepared to undergo the hardships involved, and we had already instill in the ranks a convenient source of tension to destabilize cohesion. When Matt Ridgeway stepped in, he taught the troops why they were there. He taught the troops that the enemy was *out there*, and could be beaten if our forces worked together. They learned, and we drove the Chinese back.
In Viet Nam, God what a mess. But, the troops learned quickly what mattered in that hell; the guy next to you. They didn't have the *luxury* at that point of worrying whether the guys you were fighting with were black, white, yellow or brown on the outside. It's amazing how the immediate desire to live can focus your attention on what matters and away from what doesn't.
Granted, the actual integration of the troops gave them all a chance to get to know other races (if they didn't already) and learn their common humanity, but at one gawdawful price to those boys in Korea (my father sometimes expressed pity for the Korean War soldiers, because he felt they were forgotten, and overshadowed by the WWII and Vietnam troops).
But, the real fact is that race doesn't, didn't, and shouldn't matter in the military. Everyone wears a green uniform (I guess they all wear camo nowadays.... but you get the point).
Everyone undergoes the same training for the same jobs.
And the one thing that truly doesn't give a crap what race you are is the bullet the enemy fires at you.
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