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  • Posted by walkabout97 9 years, 4 months ago
    Thomas Jefferson noted (I think) that the one thing missing from the Constitution (as then proposed) was a clause prohibiting votes on bills until they had been under consideration for a year. Plenty of time to the emotion of an idea to die down and for legislators to become educated Might be a terrific idea for an Article V convention.
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
      I might settle for footnotes to all bills that demonstrate how and where the signatories to the bill got their information that helped them decide how to vote on the issue... :)
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 4 months ago
    This is what a Senator should be doing.

    When you get to be a Senator, the country has a right to expect you to research things, as he has done.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
    I always love it when a member of Congress does their homework and then educates the rest of the chamber. Seriously. I think it would be a good idea for all bills to include an explanation session (pun intended) just like this when discussing ANY bill. Maybe then we'd get fewer knee-jerk bills based on emotional reaction and more actual THINKING.

    I guess we can hope.
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
      I agree with what you wrote, but please Get Serious... no amount of data will change the mind of a Believer...

      Let's see the results of Sessions' presentation...
      Did/Will Anything Change?
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
        So you would advocate doing nothing and leaving the teeming masses in their ignorance?

        I agree that there are going to be some who will choose to support their biases and agendas over reality, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to influence those who really do want to do the right thing. If we do nothing, we will automatically fail.
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
          Not at all, Blar... if that were the case, I wouldn't make any comments here or on any other sites, including Facebook or my own plusaf personal site!

          What I'm saying is that I ALSO have grown to recognize that, not having discovered any 'silver bullets,' Believers are not swayed from their beliefs by pretty much ANY dose of logic, reasoning or facts. I was recently watching Christopher Hitchens' videos on YouTube, and he's essentially butting his head against the same 'billion-kilowatt dams' in his own way.

          But maybe some of our "High Hopes" will bear fruit. For me, it's my second-favorite indoor sport.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
    Global Warming is a scam. We know it, and so do those who promote it. Glad to see Sessions using actual facts, something in short supplly in congress of late.
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  • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 4 months ago
    Just this weekend on Fox news was the man that started the TV weather channel. He has been in the weather forecasting business for 30 years. He says that global warming/cooling/climate change is a scam and gave examples of false information being used to scare people. One current one was that the recent storm that hit the northeast was being talked about as the the largest on record for that area. He then showed that was untrue by giving historic data. He also committed on Gore's 90 trillion dollar plan to rebuild the worlds cities to eliminate cars. I believe the word asinine was used.
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  • Posted by salta 9 years, 4 months ago
    All prediction models are political, and therefore worthless.
    Prediction of future stability is no more helpful than prediction of warming. Only the correlations in the paleo-records are worth studying.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
      To a point, yes, but even our world has changed radically from those time periods. Convection currents (how warm water circulates all around the globe) are dependent on the land masses and their positions. Even if we knew what the world looked like in paleo times, because the land masses were different, we would have different current systems, which means a different model. Ice caps also affect the cooling cycle of air masses. Atmospheric makeup (in paleo times, oxygen was MUCH higher than it is now, as was CO2) also differs. And then we have to remember that we are still recovering from that Ice Age of only 10,000 years ago.

      The reality is that trying to predict the weather or climate has so many variables that it is nearly impossible. What we really ought to do is spend the next 1000 years gathering data so that we can put together a model. Maybe by that time we'll have enough information that we can actually correlate changes and attempt to explain what is going on.
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      • Posted by salta 9 years, 4 months ago
        You're right, its only worth looking at the last million years because of land mass layout.
        The most important correlation is the link between CO2 and sea level. Not much else is relevant.
        Gathering more data will not create a more accurate model. In any case, any model would just be joining the race to make another (worthless) prediction.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
          I prefer to work from a point of ignorance (conscious denial of prejudices/possible biases) and confirm or deny correlation statistically. I'd much rather be able to go back to the data and use that to drive a hypothesis or model (if possible) than do what climate "scientists" are doing right now. I think we both agree that right now the whole approach is ideologically driven and not scientifically driven. I think the problem is in assuming that we will never be able to build a successful model (a future event) regardless of the data we have collected. I'd like to think that the possibility exists, but it sure won't be possible _without_ the data.
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          • Posted by salta 9 years, 4 months ago
            I agree that all the SOLUTIONS are ideologically driven (bad solutions with increasing state control), but the EVIDENCE of the problem is scientific. Those two areas should be separate, when we are forming our opinions.
            I agree with the science, but disagree with state controlled solutions. It is not necessary to deny the science just to object to the political motives.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
              I think we both agree that in this case it is the solution which is driving the science and not the other way around. I think there is still way too much we don't know about the system for us to conclude that there is even a "problem" in the first place. That is what only evidence collection is going to bring to the forefront!

              Until there is actually evidence of a problem - or a substantially more supported hypothesis - I don't think any action is warranted - private or public. I can't necessarily rule out a public solution, but it is definitely a last resort in my book for just about any problem.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 4 months ago
    See my "Fallen Angels" post I made a few seconds ago.

    Someone may want to repost it so it can be seen.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 4 months ago
    The first big thing is: At least people are talking about it. (It was actually suggested in some countries that against-global-warming statements be made illegal and felonious.) We have come to a point were even scientists who disagree are only marginalized, instead of being expelled outright when they make AGW comments. It seems that people have forgotten that Science consists of disagreement, especially disagreement with 'what is accepted'.

    Second, there are a plethora of professional climatologists who are AGW, and many more who are 'Lukewarmers' (think that there is a small amount of man-made GW but that it is doing more good than harm). If you would like to browse, please go to wattsupwiththat.com.

    My personal position is that the temperature fluctuations that we are experiencing are part of the normal climate process and that our increased CO2 has virtually no effect. I am definitely not a Warmist; I am not an Icer - but I am keeping an eye on that possibility.

    Jan
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  • Posted by wiggys2 9 years, 4 months ago
    I would really like to hear from one politician that all of the global warming is B/S. they should say that the advocates are plain and simply lying. i do not expect that to happen even if we have a summer where the temperature stays at 62 on average.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 4 months ago
    Although, I didn't see Sessions mention that his biggest donor is Southern Co. (one of the largest
    coal-burning utilities in the US).

    #2 is Drummond... which is pretty slimey... 100% of their employees are former government employees, so half of the 'do what we want' thing is a guaranteed job if they lose their seat...

    #6 is Vulcan Materials...

    I'm not a global warming nut, but I've worked in the power industry, and its not a foreign concept to me. We can do a lot of things in a cleaner way, and often cheaper, we just let politics get in the way. Ever seen a 'coal ash pond'? Coal is only cheap because we don't make the utility deal with the byproducts and waste, they just build a pond and throw the crap in there, presumably in perpetuity, because they close a plant and leave it behind for the residents & taxpayers to deal with - billions to pump it out into trains and haul it away.

    We have nuclear brain-damage here... we've never had a serious accident, but we've had plenty of problems with other technologies... but we shut all our nukes down for the most part. None were even close to the same poor designs of Chernobyl o or Fukashima. France is almost 100% nuclear, never had a problem. They even recycle their waste into more fuel for the reactor.

    I've had solar on my house for a year, went for $400 a month in local utility cost to around $35 (all taxes) and a variable $70-$120 solar lease payment.

    We have lots of hydro power we don't use out of fear that we'll kill the fish, so instead we buy hydro power from Canada (which has either figured out a way to not kill fish, or they kill the fish and we don't see it).

    We can do things another way, in many cases we choose not to.
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    • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 4 months ago
      I agree that cleaning up "smoke stacks" is a good idea. We can do that. "Acid rain" is not so good for car paint and some plants. Pollution is way different than CO2 production even though the EPA says that CO2 is a pollutant. Wonder why? What the idiots NEVER talk about is the effects of solar flares and volcanic activity in the ocean. Why? Can't control it. No money in it. Water vapor has a much greater effect on planet temperature than CO2 - but you can't regulate it. Lots of money being made selling "climate change." Wonder what will happen when the general public realizes they have been duped? I will just smile.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 4 months ago
        It's all kind of stupid anyway as long as the Chinese & Indians are pumping out metric tons of crap into the air by the second.

        I'm less concerned about global warming, as I am about the pollution aspect of fossil fuels. I don't think there is anything wrong with using technology to build it better/faster/cheaper, but picking up the religious jihad on it on one side or the other seems foolish too. Whenever you look at the donors, you see pretty obviously that someone else has something to gain too... Think to coal & oil industry are 'thrilled' about renewable sources of fuel? Think the power utilities are happy if 20-40% of their customers go away and produce their own power on-site? It's foolish to think that those interest groups are not on the other side of the global warming debate either... Although its not so much about "global warming is a hoax" as "we need the revenue so distract the attention elsewhere".
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        • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 4 months ago
          Agreed - and when solar is self sustaining and attainable without subsidy it will reduce fossil fuel use. Its just a matter of time. A friend works for Dow Chemical in Michigan and told me that now the costs are too great and the pay back time too long for solar panels - unless you buy the crap from China. I have no doubt we will build a better panel that will become attractive for consumers. Coal and oil will piss and moan as will utilities but in capitalism consumers will make their choices - and that is what I like about Ayn Rand. We need a Hank Reardon in the panel industry with the government getting out of the way.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    What a bunch of nonsense. He probably has armchair science to show me Taco Bell isn't bad for me, loving gods are with my grandparents watching over me, and everything else in life I wish were true. I can't imagine being an objectivist with some line this representing me.
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      Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago
      An Objectivist should be dealing in facts, which is what Sessions is trying to point out. Anthropogenic climate change effects are only a small part of much greater environmental mechanisms at work.

      I was part of a "weather war" study some years ago, where we were calculating how to cause weather effects that could alter the environment in our favor during conflict. The distinguished panel of climatologists and nuclear weapons experts had use of the best modeling capabilities at hand (the ones used to establish the "nuclear winter" scenario). We quickly learned that humans couldn't produce enough climate-altering materials (by several orders of magnitude) to have even a minimal effect in temporary climate alteration, let alone long term effects.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 4 months ago
      Not sure I understand your reaction. He may or may not actually be a scientist, and his arguments may or may not be rock solid. This is unclear from the article. However, the arguments of the climate evangelists is fallacious, and he is just pointing this out.
      Anything more lengthy than these sound bites will lose the lemmings' attention, and we need the lemmings' attention!
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