If I had any talent probably seated at some sort of table or easel. But switching to philosophy as long as it isn't preceded by the world Moral - you got what you asked for generally speaking, odds are 95 to 5 you will vote the same way again, if you vote - and remember the not new mantra is I get to spend as much as I want kicking your but because you have no rights.
What happens when your elected leaders are on the other side - the one with all the money.
Philosophy of Reality? Works for them.
PS I read the Patriot Act from start to finish. Free Speech is not listed. That was the old Constitution.
It worth repeating that the mention of yelling fire in a full theater is actually a misquote of a judge's (Holmes) ruling, "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic." If you take words away from that quote ("causing a panic" or even "falsely shouting") you change his meaning. What's more, he was using this analogy to support his restriction of the free speech of someone who was peacefully handing out flyers protesting the draft for WWI. And the ruling was overturned later.
I'm not disagreeing with your point, which I think is that a person is responsible for what he says in public, and free speech is not so much a gift but probably a hard-fought ongoing battle to defend (a right? privilege? permit?).
But with that aside for the moment, staging a cartooning contest (knowing or not that "someone" might not like it) doesn't seem to come anywhere close to "speech" that might even need to be protected. And to top it off, the First Amendment protects The People from the government and its restrictions on them, and has exactly nothing to do with protecting Ms. Geller and her crowd from people (non-government actors) wanting to do harm.
That is, there is no mitigating circumstance (that is, "falsely shouting fire") or something which might serve as an affirmative defense for what they were about to do.
Here's one condemnation. There is a lot more, if you Google it.
“So out of 100,000 Muslims who live in this great metropolitan area, not one came to the Garland Event Center and protested or participated in any type of protest. They just ignored this entire incident that itself also shows that amongst the Muslim community there is a great amount of respect for the freedom of speech,” said the President of Islamic Society of North America, Azhar Azeez.
The exhibition had been organised by Pamela Geller who is known for her outspoken criticism of Islam and whose organisation, ‘American Freedom Defense Initiative’ (AFDI) sponsors, among other things, anti-Islamic advertising.
While the AFDI says it is promoting freedom of speech, the Southern Poverty Law Center has described it as a hate group.
Council of American-Islamic relations, Director Ibrahim Hooper was forthright in his remarks:
“There is no excuse for an attack of this type, even on an anti-Islam event. We believe even anti-Muslim bigots like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders have the right to air their hatred and bigotry and we have the right to peacefully challenge that bigotry.”
Two idiots, professing to be followers of Islam drove around a thousand miles in order to kill everyone and anyone at the Geller event. I would not parse those professing the religion from those practicing the religion. I condemn it as an entity within itself. If any Christian, Jewish, or Catholic religion performed the same murderous actions as in the name of Islam a great rising up would occur. The sects would be hunted down and destroyed. Do you hear or see a great rising up among the followers of Mohummed? If it happened, I completely missed it.
Please read the context in which I wrote my response. I was not addressing sharia law. I was addressing the assertion that 'Islam' had attacked Pam Geller's meeting. Not so. On the contrary, Muslims ignored it.
Ron, there are hundreds of Islamists forming communities within the US and governing under Sharia Law. It is antithetical to the Constitution. No Sharia in the US. NONE
Islam did not attack Pam Geller's gathering, two idiots from Phoenix did. The thousands of Muslims living in and around Dallas ignored the event, they didn't even picket it, which is the proper response to those who you don't wish to draw attention to.
Thank you for the welcome. And everyone's definition of God is different. I do believe some of that deity is within us. I am by no means a theological guru, nor am I going to try to be...suffice it to say I have had a near death experience, where I no longer fear death and believe the best is yet to come. So if you are Atheist or Agnostic...know I respect that!
I consider it bad form to depict someone's prophet in a demeaning matter but I consider a sect that believes it should annihilate all those that will not abandon their own beliefs to accept theirs to be unspeakably evil and look forward to viewing their chalk outlines on the sidewalk.
if you say our rights are gifts from God, we will be arguing over which God-because Islam sees it differently. Natural rights are derived through logic and reason, they are not dropped into our laps by a Deity.
I completely agree with the rest of your comments. welcome to the Gulch, nin
If a Muslim wants the ability to worship Alla how, when and where they will they must also be willing to tolerate someone trashing Alla how, where and when they will. No society is free where one is OK and the other is not.
What happens when your elected leaders are on the other side - the one with all the money.
Philosophy of Reality? Works for them.
PS I read the Patriot Act from start to finish. Free Speech is not listed. That was the old Constitution.
I'm not disagreeing with your point, which I think is that a person is responsible for what he says in public, and free speech is not so much a gift but probably a hard-fought ongoing battle to defend (a right? privilege? permit?).
But with that aside for the moment, staging a cartooning contest (knowing or not that "someone" might not like it) doesn't seem to come anywhere close to "speech" that might even need to be protected. And to top it off, the First Amendment protects The People from the government and its restrictions on them, and has exactly nothing to do with protecting Ms. Geller and her crowd from people (non-government actors) wanting to do harm.
That is, there is no mitigating circumstance (that is, "falsely shouting fire") or something which might serve as an affirmative defense for what they were about to do.
“So out of 100,000 Muslims who live in this great metropolitan area, not one came to the Garland Event Center and protested or participated in any type of protest. They just ignored this entire incident that itself also shows that amongst the Muslim community there is a great amount of respect for the freedom of speech,” said the President of Islamic Society of North America, Azhar Azeez.
The exhibition had been organised by Pamela Geller who is known for her outspoken criticism of Islam and whose organisation, ‘American Freedom Defense Initiative’ (AFDI) sponsors, among other things, anti-Islamic advertising.
While the AFDI says it is promoting freedom of speech, the Southern Poverty Law Center has described it as a hate group.
Council of American-Islamic relations, Director Ibrahim Hooper was forthright in his remarks:
“There is no excuse for an attack of this type, even on an anti-Islam event. We believe even anti-Muslim bigots like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders have the right to air their hatred and bigotry and we have the right to peacefully challenge that bigotry.”
which we use to select beef instead of excrement
for dinner! -- j
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Any part of that still unclear?
I completely agree with the rest of your comments. welcome to the Gulch, nin
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