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Solving the National Language Problem KISS works it's miracle.

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago to Education
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First of all the overwhelming majority speak English and the bulk of the documents, laws etc. are in English and English is the world for economics, banking, aircraft operations, ship piloting and maritime operations etc.

So divide the country into groups

1. Citizens and long time residents who speak a. English b. English and one other language. c. No English but one or more other languages.

2. Residents coming into the couontry on a work permit, immigration program something of that nature.

English number one, Spanish Number two the rest are negligible but valuable.

Methods of attacking the problem. Public schools, public schools with night classes, private schools, enlightened schools such as Berlitz Total Immersion. All the rest are stone age lump them together.

Who? Fact of life it doesn't take a language major to teacha language. It does take someone fluent in a particular langauge.

Illiterates need not apply.

The rest will sort itself out and initially perhaps with a little funding for a year or two .

Next the goals.

Everyone speaks two languages with no exceptions except those over 80 or here temporarily.

TheGovernment will not hire anyone nor accept in to the military ayone who isn't bi-lingual. That's the stick and the carrot.

Next Rule. No citizenship without complete fluency in English and one other language.

No one passes 8th grade without some foreign language training, 12th grade without at least a level two fluency a foriegn language and Level three proficiency in English. Any university degree with out a level five in English and level four in at least one foreign language.

Public schools will not be allowed to teach any subject whatsoever until the new student has gone through the English language course. Loss of credentials and public funding is the punishment. Doing their job for a change is the reward.

Now thinking I've short changed the Latinos guess which language is a. most prevalent in the western hemsiphere and b. easiest to learn. SPANISH! hint hint.

So here's Johnny Dimwit who can't get in the Army without a foreign langage and geater than valley girl grasp of what passes for English. Does he choolse Portuguese? Maybe, italian Maybe,French Maybe Russian No Chinese No. Mongolian Hell no.

But the other students will and probably some of them speak a foreign language coming into the country, English in preparation or upon arrival and then do a third and many will have three or four from the get go.

The homies have to learn English as a foreign language and back to Spanish. as the easiest one.

the unfair part but that's not my problem is the original citizens will be behind the eight ball But not draftable? No. The Army takes them they go to language school period. No pass discharged.

the other ha ha unfair part is the foreign students will zoom to the top of the pack.

The advantage is we reduce the national language need to what it truly IS Mostly English with a helluva lot of Spanish.

what do you think they will teach in Mexico or Canada? Same thing they teach now Spanish and English or Canadian and English.

That's a fracking joke.

Berlitz schools take one week for easy languages up to Russian and twoweeks for exceptionally difficult language using total immersion. The concept is simpile. Monday morning you walk in a fully furnished apartment and the teachers start rotating in. Only the subject langugae is allowed. By Saturday evening 2,000 word vocabulary comprehension speaking, reading and writing.

Where do you get the instructors? Language Departments of any college and all those educated people immigrating in country. Another blow for Spanish as the second choice.

by the way....in the westeren hemisphere HALF the world there are three major languages . Spanish, English, Portuguese.

In the other continents they number from a hundred or so to as many as a hundred iin one country. Count your blessings it's an easy fix and a great melting pot and that's the real problem. Those who want diversity to divide and control will be against it. those who want to honor the ethnic cultures and backgrounds of the world will enjoy the lerning experience of the North American Culture. If we can find where we put it.


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  • Posted by Dobrien 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Awesome thanks for the lesson

    I have soup, and sandwich for you if ever in the land of sky blue waters.
    tnstaafl you earned it.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Easy on a cell phone just keep pushing the button on a computer you have to install the right program for all the extras. Those are ancillary fonts and it means different things for different languages. In Norske Aa means O since they have none. Also A with a little bitty on the top can be used. aa' sounds like one of those norske deals where the accent makes a further change such as which syllable is emphasized.. If MS ddidn't include it in the font listuse Open Office or google.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's what the original European influence said to the English speakers. Lo! Those without sin cast the first stone. It won't be those who deny freedom of education and opportunity and what was it ...life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.-- and replace it with socialist paradise.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wandering in the wilderness saying WHY o WHY did the parents allow this to happen when it was so easy to fix. All without a plan. Well it got us this far now we have to clean up the mess.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah the NEA answer they don't have to know how do the problem, nor to think, they can look it up. If only they knew what to look for. Useful as an aide but as a crutch it's just a toy.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In the beginning. People had come to what were the 13 colonies from all over the place. During the discussions on this very subject a number of languages were suggested. English of Course as well as German and Dutch. Probably, Welsh and Scots for all I remember. The choice of language to use in constructing the new country finally fell to English. Because of trade it had become lingua franca but interestingly enough the second most votes went to Greek.

    Without TV to waste their time most of the founders were both educated and multi-literate and Greece after all was the home of both the democratic form and the republic form of governments.

    Now to statistics. What need of a vote when English was spoken by 90%The only vote on the subject was 1795 it failed to do much except continue the use of English.

    The only other comment made official was all public documents shall be in the English language.

    To fully understrand the country and culture as an insider or citizen. To fully understand and assimilate and enjoy the opportunities Engish is de facto required. Anything else is to remain and outsider forever of the mercy of others.

    However, a Simmons Market Research survey recorded that 19 percent of the Hispanic American origin population speak only Spanish, 9.0 percent speak only English, 55 percent have limited English proficiency, and 17 percent are fully English-Spanish bilingual. that does not include an estimated eight million illegals - or does it. We have more Spanish speakers than Spain and less than Mexico.

    A long ways from the 10% of total people in 1776 who didn't speak English.

    However we have a strong negative movement to prevent learning English which among other goals intends to take over the five to seven southwest states. Excluding two if you said the whole USA Florida and New York each with over a million we have in the SW Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and California. New Mexico is at this point probably over 50%

    Remember the comment on controlling the Senate. Two per state. Those listed above including the influence in New York and Florida count for 20 Senators. of the 51 needed. That didn't count buying the votes of the other 31. It is one big ass voting block. IJf it wasn't for Southern California they might consider becoming a country ha ha that is a plan of La Raza who does not want English learned. Both Boxer and Fineslime are coming up for replacement and oh so PC California is likely to go latino.

    New York maybe one or one like Hillary looking for large voting blocks.

    Back to the subject.

    The founders figured with 90% speaking English why bother they had a lot on their minds back then and everything was written down in English already. So Las Griegas y Grecos y Hellenicas lost out. Florida wasn't considered nor Puerto Rico and Guam speaks Chomorro.

    Really the only reason to make it official is urban legend of a country that no longer exists. That's subjectivism it's not real life and it's not at all objective except the idea of melding together many people into one nation. Not many ini favor of that again according to urban legend.

    The rest is pure economics and a matter of education and not cheating the children out of those opportunities. And of course pride in something that doesn't exist. The time for that has passed you by. Nothing was done so deal with it. live with it you got what you asked for.

    No reason to screw anything up more than it is already and plenty of reasons to improve life, as it is, which means constitutional republic back in play, no socialism and a really goog way out of the crap pile socialism just presented us.

    I'd start by repudiating the left and trheir citizenship, confiscating their property to pay the bill for damage caused and a one way ticket to wherever they came from - regardless the number of generations,

    In the meantime we should be preparing to champion the Western Hemisphere as the lead nation and not as a sad urban legend.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 6 months ago
    The language of the US should be officially English. There should never ever be a bilingual requirement here. If you want to be a citizen you learn English well. No exceptions. At least that is what I believe is right.

    But it may soon be technologically irrelevant as we are quite close to real time good enough for many purposes translation by that computer in your pocket - your cell phone.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As i said the neanderthals of the past will provide the most opposition to defend their established position of power and control by promting ignorance and diversity. It certainly no connection to Freedom For All. To get that you have to have communication not illiterate slavery. Any other real reasons to object or support?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True but they moved away from the eastern seaboard Tammany Hall influences and are hard headed anyway. One doesn't find an little Oslo nor a little Sweden anywhere to the extent it was common and with that politcally controlled including a slow down on learning the language as the Italians and Irish on the East Coast. The Irish hated English anyway and caughtr a break working on the railroads. Italians didn't need the jobs they had The God Father.

    The Latinos never mind the illegals were there first and supplanted by the Englilsh speakers. Texicans or Tejanos means Mexican descent born in the USA as USA citizens. So that culture was already in place. Follows a time of to keep it short carpet bagging and pachucos until that started to slowly died out. Two examples of impetus. Selena and The Mono Bichi Sttue in Nogales entitled killing ignorance. The kids always cross the lines with ease where those stuck in the past fear to tread. There loss our disdain.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By your own words you are mandating (making mandatory) a second language. I oppose any second language mandate. As I said, that is my opinion, and it differs from your opinion in this case.
    I also oppose federal mandates of most kinds. I do think that mandating English is a good idea, but I am sick of federal mandates of all kinds. There is no experimentation with alternatives when there is a federal mandate. The federal government has proven incompetent and counter-productive in deciding for the people. I think it's time that the people decide for themselves in their own communities. I know it likely will not create an optimum result, but I can't say that I support free markets and individual liberty and also support federal mandates.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In which case since English ISN'T mandatory and is not the offfical language since we don't have one of those you just lost 25% of the population.
    And since when do aliens decide for themselves anything about our country? Well. Since Obama and the O'bomnibles took over. But the simple method is English is required for citizenship. Tests are not given in any other language.

    The second isn't mandatory. a. any language will do EXCEPT English. which becomes MANDATORY for economic and legal reasons. b. Funding of non compliant schools becomes not mandatory. c.Schools can explain to their students why they will not qualify for nationally recognized diplomas, student loan program, employment with the government at the federal level including the military. Federal programs - federal money. federal rules nothing to do with the States. But the States can hire all the illiterate airheads they want.

    You want 100% English spoken in the Corps of Citizens you gots to pay da price dude. TANSTAAFL.

    As for the rest buy stock in Berlitz. Hey it's only one week out of your life meals included. If I had that choice I'd be doing it once a year and not whining about math is so haaaaarrrrdddddd. Now that would be a good place to run a student loan program or even an outright scholarship.

    I thought the serious questions would be how to pay for it. From the savings on shutting down the Department of Education, transferring that to the States with some minimal national standards. Such as define high school graduate. What does a Master Degree mean. What level of math for grade school, high school non preparatory and high school preparatory. Don't count out those going to tech schools they use math and science skills far more than does the social non science airheads.But now a prospective employer must have knowledge of the school system or lack thereof for fifty states. Easier to a. hire locally if the home state has proper education -or- hire immigrants with their often times three or four language capabilities.

    Objection won't come from the immigtrants as it's a fast track to the top. It will come from lazy ass do nothings millenials and x + y = zero butthead generationals Teachers included.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I read well and I oppose any proposal that mandates anything other than ENGLISH.
    However, it's my opinion, and the people of each community (excluding legal and illegal aliens) should decide for themselves voluntarily.
    We only disagree on a second language being mandatory. I think it should be voluntary.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
    I think it's a problem that will solve itself. My part of the country had a lot of German and Scandinavian immigration. I don't think there was any gov't plan to get people to speak English. You can hear bits of the German/Scandinavian influence in causal conversation here.

    My grandparents spoke proficient Swedish and Italian, and my parents knew only a few words. I know more Scandinanvian words from business travel than from my family of origin.

    I think people will keep doing the same thing, moving for jobs/projects, sometimes marrying people from other cultures, learning languages as needed to communicate and thrive, and all without a plan.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You don't read so well do you?

    One make the national standard two languages. ENGLISH is mandatory.

    Two just like in years past and the rest of the world make a second language mandatory. Any language.

    The fact is Sipanish IS the easiest one to learn but Thai will do just fine.

    IF they already have the second language the requirement is met BUT they must learn English that's mandatory.

    Schools must teach ENGLISH to foreign students without that skill BEFORE any other subjects.

    To make it work it's like the bottle deposit law you add incentive. No government jobs including military without two languages One of which must be ENGLISH.

    With a cut down military that's something they have to stress anyway and they already have the schools.

    The states can do what they want IF they want the handouts. but only until the Department of Education is abolished.

    BUT the national standard is two languages one of which must be ENGLISH

    Same for getting citizenship.They must learn ENGLISH.to meet the national standard. The reason for that is it's national need to have everyone speaking ENGLISH

    Many will object so the two language requirement covers that.

    Only those who are never going to graduate withot a social promotion anyuway will not comply. Bueno they stil get a voting ballot in ENGLISH and all other forms.

    So if you want to insult people tell them they msut stick with the current system of divisive because it's used to control segments of the population more easily and that's all diversity means. After all it is the FASCIST way to do things and that is an ENGLISH world.

    Why leave it up to the states my take was make it an individual choice of which language to present for the second llanguage.

    Public schools are the poorest place to learn so the emphasis is on them to change and the way yiou do that is cash bribery. They don't respond to educational needs.

    But the whole goall is ENGLISH for everyone in the country MANDATORY. The rest is how to get to that point.

    You got a problem with that go somewhere else. Like California and sit back having accomplished NOTHING.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, not business as usual today.
    Business as it was before the revolutions of 1913 and 1933. Before the fed. Before FDR. Before the looters failed to obey the constitution and enforce the law. Before the looters took control of education and put chemicals in the water system that dull the senses..
    I agree that the education system is a propaganda system.
    I do not agree that any American should be forced to learn Spanish, but I do think that it's wise to make learning proper use of English a requirement for graduation from high school and proficiency in English a requirement for legal immigration.
    Foreigners from all over Europe and Asia have done so in the past and have assimilated into the society. They have also added some of their culture to the society when people voluntarily accepted it. It made the culture richer and the economy likewise. They were not offered handouts. They were not told they would be supported if they didn't learn English. So they learned English or did not have the opportunity to advance. Federal control of education, and handouts, (and federal refusal to control immigration that occurred because of handouts) and many other parts of life caused this problem. Forcing Americans to learn a language of the third world is insulting and unwise. Learning Spanish (or any other foreign language) should be voluntary. Those who recognize an advantage to learning Spanish will do so. Those who do not will miss that opportunity. BUT (imo) EVERYONE should be fluent in ENGLISH. That said, the state and local governments should have control. If the people of San Diego, California decide to require Spanish for their students, they should have the right, but the people of St Louis, Missouri, Atlanta, Georgia, and Boise, Idaho, can chose for themselves.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In other words business as usual. Divide and conquer the leftist version and keep US citizens dumb and stupid with no education the cons

    ervative version so now the left and right wing of the left have been heard from. Playing stupid is what got us where we are and if you think no other language is needed for success in AND out of the country your playing stupid Per chance you are a school teacher?

    It's a big world out there and Duuuhb Like Huhhh attitude isn't going to cut it any more except to pad the welfare lines. Why do you neanderthals insist on confining your horizons to borders you can't protect anyway?

    Did you read anywhere that said make English the only language or English and Spanish? No you DID NOT. Right now we HAVE no official language. zero zip nada goose egg. We also have no education and a view of life tht goes to the end of some peoples noses. THATs why we're in the fix we're in stupid uneducated people who continue to vote for criminals and right now that means a choice of left, left, and left or loooooooseeeeerrrrrr
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Counter proposal.
    "Language is the glue that welds the country together."
    Speak ENGLISH or get the hell out.
    Take your Spanish back to wherever you came from and never darken the shores of America with it again. If you want a better life, then LEARN THE LANGUAGE OF THE COUNTRY YOU ARE INVADING which also happens to be the language of science and technology because more advances in those areas have come from people who speak ENGLISH than any other language.
    ENGLISH speakers have been the leaders in technology for over 100 years.
    LEARN ENGLISH. NO OTHER LANGUAGE IS REQUIRED.
    This is the process that created America and made it great.
    It is counter-productive to change it.
    The statist looters changed it and have used it to destroy the most productive society the world has known; change it back.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago
    It was my contention that the most used languages English and Spanish would become the national languages in a nationi that was bi-lingual de facto if not de jure. Language is the glue that welds the country together. Given a 12 year education cycle with the schools, education in general and the largest employer in the country demanding bi-linguality that alone would produce a national culture. Latinos as the second largest ethnic group in the country are like those of more northern European descent they have one common language the Spanish and Portuguese made the biggest and most long lived impact in South and Central America and the southern third of North America. Italian not at all and French Dutch very little. English and Spanish hold sway. Learn two if not all three and the Western Hemisphere is your personal oyster. Learn Californian and limited to being sidelined humor with no cultural respectly at all.
    World doesn't operate on Oh Yeah Well it's like Duhh doooood. In any form. In the rest of the world one is hard pressed to find people who don't speak one of the three major western hemisphere languages.

    The greatest stumbling block will be finding teachers with the ability to teach English and Spanish. But teachers are a curious breed of the labor market. Wave a dollar bill or a peso in front of them it's sniff sniff gimme. I will not denigrate all obviously there are many exceptions. but the 99% in NEA will have to be forced into teaching whether they like it or not. Or sent to the unemployment lines.

    Teaching is an add on to any some other skill. It's not and end unto itself. Any degree holder in any field should be able to pick up a teaching credential with a 5th year and by golly it exists. It's called a Masters.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    agámoslo
    Spanish
    Verb

    hagámoslo

    Compound of the first-person plural (nosotros, nosotras) affirmative imperative form of hacer, hagamos and the pronoun lo.
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