Even thought the Spartans practiced pedophilia they still were too honest and loyal, for hiltery...I'm beginning to think a that the Cardassians are a better fit.

Agreed...Maybe they should re-write her part!

The original Star Trek didn't seem to do much with the idea of Klingons (that is, they looked human, and their aggressive foreign policy could be compared to cultures all over Earth past and present). But in TNG and later, I felt they had to be based on an east Asian culture, most likely Mongolia before Genghis Khan. (In later seasons of TNG they become more civilized and adopt the idea of honor, much as Mongolia did after him.)

Sisko. He wasn't one to go along with the "Federation Program" and was sent to a captured hub in the middle of f***ing nowhere to serve out his career. I still remember the first episode where he was pretty disgruntled... and as he embraced the "point four program" of the Federation, he became more happy and enlightened.

Odo, who could only seek theoretical happiness when returned to the planet in which his fellow shifters lived in their planetary sea of... yeah.

Speaking of Ferengi - Nog (Quark's nephew) became "civilized and acceptable" once he went from his proper Ferengi upbringing as a capitalist "criminal"... to a good Star Fleet Cadet, discarding the evil capitalist ways of his people.

Bah. Just remember... Resistance is Futile.

I'm still expecting to see Nancy Pelosi as the wicked witch in a remake of The Wizard of Oz.

That's weird. Most of my statist friends hated DS9 because, according to them, the Ferengi were a vehicle for hatred aimed straight at Jews.

They'd get a bigger audience with a series about Captain Harry Mudd.

Awwww, I like the new Klingons.

Hillary is not loyal, honorable and pugilistic in your face, like a Klingon. She is a sneaky, scheming demon. She is much more like a Romulan or a STNG Cardassian (not Kardashian)., much more like a Cardassian, sneaky, back-stabbing, executing those speaking out against the Obsidian Order.

They are going to change Star Trek t Star Drek.(google it)

The best analogy for the Klingons isn't even Communism, because the Klingon system of honor and merit clash with Communism. IMHO, the Vikings or the Spartans are a pretty accurate match - both installing a militaristic leadership style with pagan mythology and emphasis on conquest. The Romulans are a much better example of communism to me, along with even the Cardassians. The Ferengi are taken to the absurd with their mercantilism and lack of loyalty.

Scratch that: I've got it. The Dominion. There is no better example in Star Trek of communism than the Dominion. They live communally, they have a god-complex second to none, they enslave other races and indoctrinate them to do their bidding whether war or peace, and they enforce their views on everyone else brooking no contention. Yup. I think we have a winner here.

She certainly reminds one of the twin sisters Lursa and B'Tor who tried to overthrow the Klingon government and install a proxy. They even instigated a civil war. Hillary Clinton is certainly as repulsive as they are, but though I think she's more evil, I don't think she'd fare well with a batleth...

I would assume that these new Klingons are a new form of life in the Abrams Star Trek universe. How do you make an aggressive warmongerlike race into isolationists? Just seem antithetical to the character of the Klingons.

This is just the latest about this new iteration of stories about this seemingly doomed show. Apparently, they have made some cast changes because it was going to be a white male captain with a black female first officer. Well, this dynamic stuck the wrong way with the SJW's because it was too much like the duel slavery they complain about: black oppression and misogyny. Can't have a white male have control over an oppressed victim class, let alone two.

" except Voyager because it was dripping with so much left wing PC propaganda "
I am really into Star Trek, and I never noticed politics in Voyager. TNG and DS9 did it a few times, although thankfully not always with the same viewpoint. Maybe I'll revisit Voyager. I'm struggling to think of politics in the show. Some of the Chakotay episodes maybe, but I think i see them as just bad episodes going over-the-top with Native American stereotypes.

No doubt, like the Reeves remake of "The Day The Earth Stood Still". The original (early '50s)) was great sci-fi for the day, but the remake was PC horrible.

The vikings...yes, that fits well.

DS9 was affected by the Ferengi influence. Quark was originally supposed to be a more sinister unpleasant capitalist, but quickly became a fan favorite. The statist slant was supposed to come from criticism of Ferengi capitalism, but failed. They did manage to get in a plug for feminism, via Quark's mother.

My reaction to the classic ST Klingon portrayal was that they seemed to be a caricature of viking culture. From what I see in discussions of ST Discovery, it appears the scriptwriters want to exaggerate the worst elements of that culture. Disappointing.

You weren't wrong. Quark was ridiculous in concept, and not that well scripted. I think I watched one episode.

Never watched that one, kinda seemed silly...was I wrong?

Thankfully, we will have "The Orville" to watch instead. Early reviewers gauge it as sort of like "Galaxy Quest," so hopefully the humor won't be too over the top. I don't know if I'm the only one to remember an earlier TV series to treat space travel as comedy, "Quark," which was about a space garbage collector.

Sprinkled with extra carbon and global warming too, no doubt.

IMHO, the mainstream and vast majority Trump supporter is neither an isolationist nor a racial purity supporter. They mainly want smaller and fiscally responsible government. They also have respect for the nations sovereignty, rule of sensible law, and its most positive ideals. The left, especially Hollyweird, and other swamp critters totally miss these simple points.

I liked all the ST series except Voyager because it was dripping with so much left wing PC propaganda I couldn't get past the third episode and stopped watching. Never went back or watched reruns so I don't know if it got any better. Based on this it looks like "Discovery" will be the same.

True enough...seems those unaware, those with no mind and a dysfunctional brain may have put their own misguided spin on it.

But it is gut busting humorous for those of us that are aware and have a mind,

Sorry, too busy, no time at present, CBJ. Maybe I will have time later.

Could you show me some examples of "statist bias" on Deep Space Nine? I went through the entire series twice and didn't detect any overt collectivist bias, just the vague 1960's liberalism that reflected Gene Rodenberry's influence on the original series and those that came later.