They don't keep score, but the kids do. The kids all know their numbers of wins, losses, and ties for the season.

The rest of us who are not involved in politics do not see all this liberal/conservative stuff. They do other modern-kid stuff too, like always bringing snacks and water (water makes sense for sporting events, but they do it for everything), and always "eyes, eyes, don't run around that large tree. I need to be able to see you every moment!" I would never have understood parents yelling "eyes" at that age. I have no idea how that fits into what talking heads who get paid to bicker say, but it's definitely the trend. I just don't participate.

No argument of the value of sports,unless it devolves into "participation trophies" only. Kids need to learn that you may win, lose or draw, but no one rewards people who "just show up". Again, that is a Liberal concept disconnected from reality, where a group has decided they can make the whole world feel good if we only.....

To each his own.....

"These are the same "liberal" Hollywood elite"
I say judge each claim on its own merits rather than grouping people. If there is the same person making contradictory claims, then you can ask that person. But I don't accept that there's some elite gang who all think the same things.

"Why is Harvey Weinstein such a beast and the guy who murdered the girl in SF not? "
I think it's all rubbish, just trash. People can rubberneck at life's tragedies in a sanctimonious way, as if it were part of the policy-making process. I don't want people making one another feel uncomfortable, and I certainly want to help illegal immigrants any way I can. Lurid news stories are not the way to do it.

"The schools have been pursuing a deliberate program of idiots educating "
I don't believe the public grade schools do very much at all deliberately, at least a nation-wide thing. It's all about having a good teacher.

I see absolutely none of the "Hitler Youth " type stuff whatsoever. It's actually 180 degrees opposite. There are all these standards focused on accommodating students with special needs, and the great teachers navigate them and do a good job. Some of the special needs accommodations make no sense, like having a full-time person assigned to be a shirpa for someone with developmental issues that make his cognitive abilities way below his abilities. There's no science I know of that says having them around people their age but not able to follow any of the class material is helpful to them. But when it's for special needs, they turn off good judgment.

Overall the quality is better than what I'd expect from a free handout from the gov't, and that's not saying all that much. If they get the right teacher, it's better than the expensive schools we interviewed. I have seen absolutely zero top-down politicization.

"you send kids to college, they are exposed to liberal professors who program them to ignore the laws they don't like "and be a force for change"
I'm trying to instill those liberal values at a very young age, not to "program" them, but for them to figure out the world and have agency. Be willing to break the law in protest and accept the consequences if necessary. Be a force for change. Happen to things rather than letting things happen to you. I am trying to give them these liberal values now. College is way too late.

"Did you notice that the Harvey Weinstein debacle is all women bitching about being raped, molested, etc, who say they told everyone and no one listened? "
Most of them say they were not even physically coerced in any way. I certainly do not condone making people feel uncomfortable, but doing it is not as bad as a serious violent crime.

"So, that is an argument that conservatives and gun owners have made and your liberal friends ignore. "
You believe in this "liberal friends stuff", and I do not; I hardly know what it means. I also do not believe there is a huge number of evil people who do not care about people suffering in public office. I think that's all theater. The results of a large/intrusive gov't are very real. If it were just some bad guys who don't care of people, it might be easier to solve. That is not the case. I don't have an answer. I'm open to CoS. I'd be open to gov't-limiting amendments. Or maybe some charismatic person could pull together a bi-partisan gov't-cutting coalition or something.

This sounds absurd, but I actually think my son's football is part of the solution. Those kids come together from different walks of life, get physically moving, work as a team, experience wins and losses. I'm a nerd and don't fully understand the game, but I really admire those kids, coaches, and refs. My 9 y/o explained to me how one kid missed a catch by trying to make it look cooler. He also explained how they played a team whose coach constantly argued with the ref, while his coach accepted the calls He said the nature of the game at this level is you don't yell at the ref and should generally accept the calls unless there's something egregious, and you have to accept the refs are human and make mistakes. Wow. These are hard concepts, and he's stoic about things he really cares about, like whether his play was valid. It's not just my kid. American football and soccer bring out good character traits. I do not know if football will save America (I'm half joking), but I think I can have as much influence taking my kid to it as I have lobbying my politicians.

Not only did I live with it, I gre up watch Cronkite and the evening Vietnam news stories. I saw the Watergate hearings, I saw the Pentagon papers released and the fallout. That was where the politicians learned they couldn't rely on a wall of silence and compliance in government, so they switched to the "lie till you die" defense, mixed in with the "start another rumor" plan, which has been co-opted into the media who are now their mouthpieces. Did you notice that the Harvey Weinstein debacle is all women bitching about being raped, molested, etc, who say they told everyone and no one listened? These are the same "liberal" Hollywood elite who tell you "I'm leaving the country if you elect Trump" and don't. They are the same ones screaming for the rights of illegal immigrants, sanctuary cities and states, and ignore the fact it is all based on breaking the law, and their negative impact. Why is Harvey Weinstein such a beast and the guy who murdered the girl in SF not? He was released! Because they have to protect the poor innocent illegals. They are the most insane, illogical, emotional, 'help the little racoon and get rabies" idiots you can imagine. The schools have been pursuing a deliberate program of idiots educating idiots, because of their system, you send kids to college, they are exposed to liberal professors who program them to ignore the laws they don't like "and be a force for change" then they send them to schools where they pass that same logic onto other generations and you have generation after generation of "educators" who have NEVER HAD A REAL JOB. Results do not count, the quality of your product is not measured. Yes, the school system is a disaster because they have closed loop education, with the idiots teaching the idiots. The result is moronic professors who declare that whatever they think is the TRUTH and reality, and it becomes so. Wish upon a star and you get it. One of the best ways to control a culture is to control the education, get em while they are young. Go study history and look up "Hitler Youth", or better yet, go study Japanese history 1850-1945, and look at how they co-opted Bushido to be a "cultural value". The results were 4 years of bloody war. Yes, you can control education, and you can control what people think, it is a long haul program, but it works great.

So, that is an argument that conservatives and gun owners have made and your liberal friends ignore. They just want total control. Then you can go get screwed, raped, killed, whatever, because YOU DO NOT MATTER. The same applies to Republicrats, who preach guns and freedom to have guns, once they have used you for whatever they want YOU DO NOT MATTER. You obviously did not see the video of the ex Democrat Rep who said he hated elections because he had to pander to voters to get re-elected so he could then continue to pursue his own agenda.

" the established order lost validity in the face of Vietnam"
I think you're saying in the 70s people realize the gov't was lying and called for reforms. Now it's just petty. I totally see that. I've never lived through that time, when I imagine people were having a debate about giving the gov't the secrecy it needed to do its job but being sure there was accountability. Now it's just politicians wanting to lock the other up.

I see no influence whatsoever of a takeover of education. I see problems with education, but I don't see it being so well coordinated that crooked politicians hatch and execute a plan to raise a generation of people who won't hold them accountable. That's laughable. I do see people not holding gov't accountable, but I don't single out education over other cultural factors and I certainly do not think it was a centrally-planned plot.

What you say is kind of depressing because I do imagine my parents' generation overthrew that established order. My generation scoffed at the idea of an established order, but I see what you're saying of it leading to naked "blame it all on the other guy" discourse.

"How else [other than an overall increase in violence] do you explain Chicago having one of the highest murder rates in the country despite the strictest gun laws? "
Maybe places that have high crime have politicians who feel the need to "do something" even if it does not work, so they pass gun laws. Maybe the gun laws actually increase crime by taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. There are many explanation other than a general increase in crime.

CG, I respect your right to your opinion, although I disagree with a lot of your perceptions. Violence, civility and basic behavior has been on a steady drop since the 70's, and it got it's impetus in the late 60's, when the established order lost validity in the face of Vietnam, and all the lies that started to be uncovered (aka Pentagon Papers). Media, journalism, took a "dig out the facts" position, which was good for a while, it just uncovered a lot of the "crap" going on. Then the politicos, to cover up the "crap" began owning it by blaming it all on the "other guy". That worked so well, and coupled with the liberal takeover of education, produced people who have no problem lying, cheating stealing, and then justifying it. Clintons, McConnell, Pelosi, Obama, Lych, Comey, all of them, violated their oaths, and do not care a whit about their responsibilities, as long as they get money, power, and stay on. It has spread like wildfire, and is becoming endemic. How else do you explain Chicago having one of the highest murder rates in the country despite the strictest gun laws? Laws, courtesy, common decency to each other are gone. Heinlein was correct.

Yes. I don't know if I'm a Pollyanna, but what an amazing time to live this seems to be! https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

Really? What an unusual world you live in.....

" reducing your exposure to both subspecies"
Absolutely, if it were true. I make light of it because I never see it and do not believe it's real.

Maybe, but maybe you shouldn't be going to any fundraisers, and thus reducing your exposure to both subspecies....

And the writers also made the looter Elon Musk a ST hero (in the same phrase with the Wright Bros. )
Puke!
(At least it wasn't FDR.)

"you went to Democratic fund raisers"
[More fun with words I don't understand]Well, that's true. At Democratic events, I have to avoid suffragettes in their 19th century garb inviting me onto their sin-bearing bandwagon, which is way less fun than it sounds. At Republican fund raisers, thought, I have to deal with binarism, ableism, ace eraseure, and cis-supremecy. I'm offended by the notion of erasing aces![/word silliness]
I don't know what that stuff means either. I'm being silly, maybe even a silly sod. I make light of this stuff because I don't believe it's real. I think there are people who do things that are odd, mean-spirited, stupid, etc, but giving them all special names and focusing on them isn't helpful.

Uh, CG, didin't you say you went to Democratic fund raisers, and contributed?

[I'll just use the name-calling words for fun, not knowing what they mean.]
I mostly follow lamestream. A lot of their ads are geared toward silly sods because the primary content is aimed at programming sods. The public-facing reporters and commentators are mostly snowflakes, but they have many regular non-snow flakes working behind the scenes. The flake universe if is bounded but expanding, which some see as an indictment of the very framework of society. They reported on the Hilary gang, but they were less keen to report on the Obamanation gang because it's built on the feminist agenda and, as icing on the cake, the LGBT agenda. I actually work with an LGBT person, and he keeps his agenda on tiny yellow postit notes and expecting me to pander to it. Why doesn't he use Google Calendar for his agenda? The media don't cover the suffragettes much, but the assistant principal at my kids' school is a suffragette, and she blathers on making no logical sense about racism and her bandwagon of bearing sins. My wife works with someone in one of the black communities, and I'm actually grateful talk of it is verboten because they're creating their own brand of hell and that's unpleasant. I'd rather go stay in the fancy cabin in the north woods that our flake friends bought with money they made wallpapering over tyranny. The flakes in the gangs of Beast and Bernie are so different from your average rank-and-file flakes. Once I tried to tell them the awful truth, but they didn't care for it.

All these people with funny names are a crapstorm falling over each other to control the other groups.
[/Using words I don't know]
I have no idea who any of these people are. It's all gibberish to me. If I said anything real above, it's by accident because I don't know what any of it means. If I ever really met a suffragette inviting me on her sin-bearing bandwagon, I was probably just walked away confused. It's truly gibberish to me. All these groups and gangs definitely sound like royal jerks though.

If you know any suffragettes, flakes, or anyone part of a "gang", I would just stay away from them.

Yes, I remember when he ran and I contributed to it, as he had a good grasp on reality and individual responsibility.I never went to a con, but there are several good recordings on YT.

They are indeed working on it, although I am not sure it will be a good thing.

CG, do you ever read the news? I mean news beyond lamestream media. In the 60's we had air raid drills under our desks and you knew the three triangles were a civil defence air raid station/shelter. Parents were a lot more invested in their kids, what they did, who they saw. Look at the non lamestream news and you see protests where all that is blathered is about recisim, veryone and everything is a racist, this was programmed by the Obamanation gang over the last 8 years, and built on the feminist agenda, and tossed in LGBT as a cherry. It is the politics of divisiveness and separation, as it is so easy to control a group by pandering to their one interest. It seems you want to filter what is going on and reframe it into something that fits, and that is very dangerous, as that is what has happened over the last 80-100 years. People have become more tribal and pushed into "groups" by the people who would seek to control them, and this includes both parties. The subject of this video was a breakdown of how that could be, if you are willing to look beyond a simple TV show and framework. I actually see parents going off on another path, where they leave the kids to the electronic nanny, and some work as 2 income families to try to get ahead, others work 2 parents because both parents want to do whatever it is they do, and the kids are a side job. Either scenario gives you kids with little to no social skills or exposure, except through whatever games they play, and I have seen a rise in animal abuse, and child and spouse abuse, because, after all, they aren't real. Those are the things we have to deal with now.

I watched the first three episodes on CBS All Access via Amazon Fire TV. I was disappointed in the plot line, and the female lead sounding to much like the Seven Of Nine from the Voyager series. The Klingons morphed into something unrecognizable. Then in the third episode they stole a plot device from the Canadian Scifi series Dark Matter (which was cancelled) of a Blink Drive, organic instead of tech. Playing the race card with the Klingons being one homogeneous race except for one character. The whole thing smacks of political/cultural correctness along with CBS world view. I'm disappointed but at least there is The Orville.
ABC is getting into the game dis-entertaining with Once Upon a Time (my wife loves it) with multiculturalism muddling fantasy first episode. I'm hoping that The Expanse comes back on Scifi channel so there is a good space opera to watch.

I can't wait for Nanotechnology inject me now! Nanotechnology started before the Borg in Star Trek. Scifi writer Ben Bova used that idea his novel "Moon War" where the technology was used to build diamond Space Clippers from Lunar regalith. Then accidentally the main character get an accidental overload of medical nannites during a medical procedure making him into a superhuman.

Doyle was great. For a long time afterward he ran a libertarian talk show in Southern California. Even tried running for political office, but got beat down by all the progressives.

I also got to meet Claudia Christian one time at a writers conference - she was really nice. Got a hand-signed glossy she brought the second day just for me. Also got to meet Mira Furlan (plays Delenn). She wasn't quite as pleasant.